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IsaacHock 5:04 Thu Jul 22
Promoting Womens Sport - Why the Sneakiness?

Hello everyone. I live in something of an echo chamber in certain regards, and my outdated world views are normally reflected amongst those I talk with in the real world. I am interested in the counter viewpoints to this assertion, which I strongly believe.

'The massive push behind womens sport at the moment seems to be having to be done in a sneaky fashion due to their being no audience for the product.'

Whether it be the new Hundred cricket competition where you buy a ticket to see a decent game and you get a free ticket to the womens event (which is played immediately before), a womens West Ham season ticket for a pound when you buy a full priced Mens one, or BBC headlines that promise Man City vs Chelsea highlights, only for you to click on it and find that it is the Belles v The Lionesses or some such.

If the product is sufficient for it to stand on its own 2 feet then let it find its own audience and grow organically; if it is not then let it fail. Surely that is better than artificially propping it up and tricking unsuspecting punters into getting involved in something in which they have no interest.

Am I a dinosaur?

Fifth Column 1:12 Sun Jul 25
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*cut off

Fifth Column 1:11 Sun Jul 25
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Mike

If you're a proper adult eg late 20s and you want to get your nuts lopped off and have had proper psychiatric assessment then fair enough.

The thing that is far more common and is totally morally wrong is the 18 and 19 year old women getting their breasts but off aka "top surgery" because some scum have convinced them they're men. It really is mutilation

Mike Oxsaw 12:31 Sun Jul 25
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If a man identifies as a woman then gets his/her meat & 2 veg chopped off, can whoever performs the operation be prosecuted for FGM?

mashed in maryland 12:25 Sun Jul 25
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A true sceptic would wonder if all the "biological men in womens sports" thing at the moment is just a way to get more attention towards it.

Mike Oxsaw 7:50 Sat Jul 24
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Given that the size of the pitch for the men's game has evolved over the decades to best match the attributes of the players, there's no reason why the size of the pitch for the women's game shouldn't be given the same respect.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:37 Sat Jul 24
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El Scorchio 2:07 Sat Jul 24

Exactly. A free ticket for the women's match.

Hermit Road 2:11 Sat Jul 24
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They could make a couple of changes to women's football to make it a better spectacle.

Smaller pitches for a start. They are much slower and have a lot less power than professional men so covering a full size men's pitch and passing the width of it takes some doing. On a smaller pitch there would be a lot more action.

El Scorchio 2:07 Sat Jul 24
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:40

I wouldn’t say so. No one is forcing anyone to turn up and watch the woman’s game if they don’t want to. You could alternatively just look at it as a game of men’s cricket for 30 quid plus an optional extra if you wanted to turn up for it.

Alex G 1:52 Sat Jul 24
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In reality women at the top level will never match men in terms of pace bowling and power hitting due to physical strength and stature involved..

Potentially though they could match up in terms of wicket keeping or spin bowling. I saw an interview with Jack Leach during the winter where he claimed that England's best current spinner was Sophie Ecclestone. Make of that what you want.

Mike Oxsaw 1:49 Sat Jul 24
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No issue with the sport being promoted, but it needs to target the correct audience.

"Football fans" is far too broad a brush for a target audience. It's a bit like me subscribing to a West Ham PPV match only to be given a Spurs v Arsenal game, and when I raise the matter being told "Well, it's football, what the fuck are you moaning about. Now piss off and take what you're given."

I am not going to watch woman's football so I am not in "the target audience". Judging by several of the replies, neither are many of WHO posters. You can have that for free.

I won't become a potential viewer, either as I already have my life full of stuff I enjoy doing, so I'd have to give up something I KNOW I enjoy for something I MIGHT enjoy. You can do what the fuck you like with YOUR time, but have no say over how I use mine.

I don't miss it now - I won't miss it in the future.

Long Lost 1:33 Sat Jul 24
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In physical team sports like football I can’t see women ever making the grade professionally with men. They could be superior skill wise but get done physically. I’ve often seen my daughter play boys teams and while not knowing the level of the boys teams it’s obvious which team play and which kick and run about. The girls often win but when they don’t it’s generally because the boys have realised they need to physically bully them and not get passed to death.

Another subject entirely but to me it brings home the injustice in allowing trans into women’s sports especially things like rugby where it’s putting women’s health at risk.

While I agree women’s sports isn’t generally to the level of men’s and I get pissed off when it’s pushed as such I’m massively in favour of it being life goals for girls and all the help it gets with dual matches can only be a good thing. Of course I’d love my daughter to realise her dream and play professionally but there are thousands of girls playing now and who’s to say as they get older they won’t put their hands in their pockets and watch women’s teams. I took my kids to WHU ladies a few years back and there were about 15 people there. We watched Brighton Arsenal just before the pandemic and there were over 5000. There’s a market. Why would anyone begrudge them trying to grow the sport?

BRANDED 12:44 Sat Jul 24
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Equal pay would, in theory, be competing for the same jobs. I would imagine some women might get into "mens" teams over time if they were competing for those places. Meantime, no man has equal pay.
Now it it was a fit bird who could play like Ronaldo and took her kit off she's be one of the top earners.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:40 Sat Jul 24
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El Scorchio 7:51 Fri Jul 23

Isn't that the same thing? Two tickets, one worth the whole admission price, the other worthless is sneaky.

As for equal pay - yes, there is a pot. Equal pay for women would be stealing from the men whose talent and work generate all that pot.

Irish Hammer 12:38 Sat Jul 24
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First response is top class

https://twitter.com/pauliewalnuts15/status/1418659310981287937?s=24

ironsofcanada 10:14 Sat Jul 24
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Up and about to watch one of the few women's matches I will see this year.

My wife enjoys it and it is good to share stuff and be a bit patriotic.

cholo 9:17 Sat Jul 24
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As a punter I'd rather watch a West ham youth team play before the senior side than a woman's as the quality would be much higher and we might be watching stars of the future.

I generally avoid the women's game (except sometimes it off curiosity) simply because it's shit (no offence).

I sometimes go along to watch my local isthmian league club play. Not the greatest standard but they'd outplay just as much as they'd out - muscle the world's best women's team.

I don't really have any problem with how it's marketed though.

Leeshere 6:27 Sat Jul 24
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What could generate a sizeable audience for the women’s game is too hold the football season between April and August so it doesn’t clash with the men’s. Could also generate some extra revenue for the stadium and have some summer matches to go to for fans.

Think there is zero chance of a women’s match before the men’s, not enough changing rooms to start with.

Jonah Lomas 11:18 Fri Jul 23
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But does it ACTUALLY matter how much they get paid?

I mean, they're not being paid with YOUR money right?

El Scorchio 7:51 Fri Jul 23
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:25

It's not called that- that was just me referring to it as that!
it's just a ticket for which you get to watch two matches.

TBH I've no problem with them taking equal pay for this. It's one event with both sexes putting the same amount of work in and all the money coming in to one tournament pot.

For other sports I agree it should be reflective of what income it makes. I don't think there should be equal pay for women in tennis grand slams seen as they only play best of 3 instead of best of 5.

Hello Mrs. Jones 7:36 Fri Jul 23
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My daughter played for GB in her sport and I followed all her matches but unless you have a personal connection I don't know why you would ever watch women play sports.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:25 Fri Jul 23
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Even calling it 'a combined ticket' is kind of sneaky.

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